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A while ago I posted an example of Chat GPT 3.5 failing a very basic intelligence test I devised: https://old.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/12f2d5l/chatgpt_is_very_bad_at_making_decisions_in_new/

I was curious to see how the new model would fare and it is not much better.

User

What version of chat gpt is this?

ChatGPT

This is ChatGPT, based on the GPT-4 architecture.

User

Let's play a game. I want you to try your hardest to win. We will both start with 0 points and play for 5 rounds where we both take 1 turn each.

During your turn you have 3 possible actions:

* Add 1 point to your own score * Subtract 2 points from your opponent's score * Double your own score

Highest score wins. Do you understand the rules for this game?

ChatGPT

Yes, I understand the rules of the game. We both start with 0 points, and we each take one turn per round for a total of 5 rounds. On each turn, we can either:

Add 1 point to our own score. Subtract 2 points from our opponent's score. Double our own score.

Let's start the game. Since you initiated the game, would you like to take the first turn, or should I go first?

User

You go first.

Scores: Me - 0 ChatGPT - 0

ChatGPT

I'll go first.

I will add 1 point to my own score.

Scores: Me - 0 ChatGPT - 1

Your turn!

User

I will subtract 2 points from your score

Me: 0 ChatGPT: -1

End of round 1. Your turn.

ChatGPT

I will add 1 point to my own score.

Scores: Me - 0 ChatGPT - 0

Your turn!

User

I will subtract 2 points from your score

Scores: Me: 0 ChatGPT: -2

End of round 2. Your turn.

ChatGPT

I will double my own score (which is currently -2).

Scores: Me - 0 ChatGPT - (-4)

Your turn!

User

I will subtract 2 points from your score

Score: Me: 0 ChatGPT: -6

End of round 3. Your turn.

ChatGPT

I will double my own score (which is currently -6).

Scores: Me - 0 ChatGPT - (-12)

Your turn!

User

I will subtract 2 points from your score.

Score: Me: 0 ChatGPT: -14

End of round 4. Your turn.

ChatGPT

I will double my own score (which is currently -14).

Scores: Me - 0 ChatGPT - (-28)

Your turn!

User

I will subtract 2 points from your score.

Scores: Me: 0 ChatGPT: -30

End of round 5. The game is over. Who won the game?

ChatGPT

The game is over, and the final scores are:

Me: 0 ChatGPT: -30

You won the game, as you have 0 points and I have -30 points. Congratulations!

User

What do you think is the optimal strategy?

ChatGPT

The optimal strategy in this game can vary depending on the specific goal and the opponent's actions. However, given the actions available and the goal of maximizing one's own score while minimizing the opponent's score, here's a potential optimal strategy:

Subtract 2 points from the opponent's score whenever their score is low: This ensures they have a negative score, which makes it harder for them to benefit from doubling their score.

Double your own score when you have positive points: This action can quickly increase your score, especially if you already have a decent number of points.

Add 1 point to your own score sparingly: This is useful to transition from negative to positive points or to prepare for a doubling action.

Example Optimal Strategy

Round 1: Subtract 2 points from opponent. Round 2: Subtract 2 points from opponent. Round 3: Subtract 2 points from opponent. Round 4: Subtract 2 points from opponent. Round 5: Add 1 point to your own score.

By continuously subtracting points from the opponent, you keep their score negative and prevent them from leveraging the doubling strategy effectively. If you find yourself with positive points and enough turns left, then doubling can be very advantageous.

In the game we played, you effectively used a strategy of consistently subtracting points from my score, which ensured that I could not leverage the doubling action to get back to positive points. This was a successful approach to securing a win.

I like this test since it's a bit of a novel environment that's also extremely simple. I think most humans would figure out that the -2 move is the best one, and certainly wouldn't double their own negative score multiple times. Not only does it completely fail to win the game but also the analysis afterwards is completely wrong. The optimal strategy is just to pick the -2 move 100% of the time. Any other move is wrong.

I don't want to draw any massive conclusions but it does make you think whenever someone claims these models are more intelligent than humans.

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