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>Regardless, your claim that they are always Latin is incorrect. Japanese loanwords like [ninja](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ninja), [manga](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manga), and [kana](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kana) end in "a," are plural, and can be followed by the word "are." For example: "Ninja are known to be sneaky," or "Kana are the basis for collation in Japanese."

Oh thanks for pointing out that some Japanese words end in 'a' and fit the criteria as well, awesome!

At the same time, I don't feel you represented my whole criteria all that well. Further, These Japanese words and their grammar were borrowed and do not have much historical impact on what I think most English speakers would consider normative or obvious. So have less weight in the discussion, unlike Latin rooted words.

Also to be pedantic, Ninjas is a typical plural form of ninja.

"u/ttcklbrrn was attacked by reddit ninjas" is typical to indicate many individual ninjas.

Not "u/ttcklbrrn was attacked by reddit ninja."

And this whole conversation is about what's more immediately clear/typical for English speaker.

But I can understand why you would be confused. In your example, Ninja refers to the category which ninjas belong to, so it is a "Collective Noun" (part of my second point in my original comment). And collective nouns do not refer to many individuals, but to a singular category (Ninja) of which many individuals (ninjas) belong to.

I don't think many English speakers would read "Ninja are often sneaky" and think you're referring to many particular ninjas you could point at. The typical understanding would be that you're referring to the singular category we call "Ninja", while you *might* be incidentally bringing it up in order to imply that ninjas are nearby.

This is my primary point. The whole "data are" discussion hits on a nuanced confusion between plural nouns and collective nouns.

When one says "the data suggests", I think we really mean "The collection of data I interpreted and summarized into singular personal interpretations." or "the category of all data recorded during that time" interpretations/recorded observations at some time are categorical summaries, not many individual instances of that summary's category.

Another example of this confusion in language is in categorical syllogisms. Saying:

"All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. therefore..."

A more formal way of phrasing the middle statement is

"All (people who are the famous ancient Greek named Socrates) is a (man)."

Now this may seem pedantic, because there only ever was one such Socrates, but it shows how when forming categorical arguments/referents (e.g. like 'the data suggest') we can hide that such a thing is a category because we're relatively familiar with it in our senses. I'm familiar with images and statues of what Socrates may have looked like and these images are what I think of when I consider him. So I may not think of him as belonging to a singular category. Even though he really is part of a category, despite there being only one member.

Similarly with data, we may be too close to our senses and imagination (imaging stark tables, and records)

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