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>SpaceX leaders also believed the company shouldn’t be held to the same standard as competitors because SpaceX oversees more missions and manufacturing, the two former executives said.

**Misleading.** Again and again, Reuters journalists return to the “poor safety” narrative, in support of which they only provide mishandling statistics. But what these former executives say has its justification. If you hire several times more workers to do the same job, you will obviously get a better work safety ratio since you will have fewer hazardous activities per worker. But in general, the number of injuries and illnesses will not change in this way. SpaceX obviously produces more than 10% above the space industry average, so Reuters' findings so far indicate that **SpaceX has fewer injuries and illnesses to get the job done**.

But perhaps SpaceX's fatality rate says otherwise? Unfortunately, almost no major US aerospace company has avoided fatal accidents at work, even if we are limit ourselves to the period from 2002, when SpaceX was founded: this happened with [Pratt & Whitney](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Fatal-blast-at-rocket-fuel-plant-2nd-explosion-2557374.php), [Thiokol](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=201561248), [Aerojet Rocketdyne](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2008/sep/18/worker-killed-rocket-motor-explosion-identified/), [ULA](https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/engineer-s-fall-from-launch-pad-still-being-probed-1.623434?cache=yesclipId104062?clipId=263414), [Lockheed Martin](https://www.wsbradio.com/news/worker-dies-after-fall-lockheed-martin-plant/WtljPNg9VoJvOVYBFaIt7M/), [Boeing](https://www.live5news.com/story/21829568/boeing-employee-dead-after-fall-from-platform/), [Orbital ATK](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deadly-explosion-lake-city-army-ammunition-plant-missouri/) and [Northrop Grumman](https://www.ksl.com/article/50569207/2-northrop-grumman-employees-dead-after-being-found-unconscious). So a separate fatal accident cannot say that SpaceX operates worse than the rest of the industry.

**Oddly** **enough, Reuters seems to have ignored all these** **events except for the ULA case** [**immediately after**](https://web.archive.org/web/20210517141844/https://www.reuters.com/article/space-shuttle-death-idUSN1417571620110314) **it and the SpaceX case 9 years after the accident.**

If we are talking about the ratio, then the standard metric of deaths per 100,000 full-time workers per year is simply impossible to calculate due to the fact that many large companies do not track the number of employees of their space departments, let alone tracking all their subcontractors. So I came up with three performance metrics: number of launches, tons of payload and satellites per death.

I [calculated](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x-drgG-6PyREEzIzJkjDRCExoGuwwHmldiRnFGCP3II/) launch statistics starting from 2002 for Northrop Grumman Innovation Systems with companies they previously acquired ([1](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=201561248), [2](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=153529.015) accidents with 3 fatalities), United Launch Alliance with subcontractors ([1](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=200263630), [2](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=202528469), [3](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=101165.015) accidents) and SpaceX ([LeBlanc](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=63750.015) and Cabada’s near death):

● Northrop Grumman have launched 15 Pegasuses, 20 Minotaurs and 18 Antares launch vehicles (total of 53 launches) with \~120 tons of payload and 91 satellites. That comes out to **18 launches**, **40 tons** and **30 satellites** per fatality.

● ULA launched 3 Titan II, 6 Titan IV, 9 Atlas II, 5 Atlas III, 55 Delta II, 44 Delta IV and 99 Atlas V launch vehicles (total of 221 launches) with \~1,000 tons of payload and 301 satellites. This means **55** **launches**, **\~250 tons** and 73 **satellites** per fatality.

● SpaceX launched 5 Falcon 1, 273 Falcon 9 and 8 Falcon Heavy launch vehicles (total of 286 launches) with \~2,900 tons of payload and 6,928 satellites. This means **143 launches**, **\~1400 tons** and **3464 satellites** per fatality.

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>At SpaceX, Musk played with the device in close-quarters office settings, said the engineer, who at one point feared Musk would set someone’s hair on fire.

**Wow.** How does this irresponsible billionaire allow himself to risk ruining his workers’ hairstyles for weeks, if not months? This outrageous fact should immediately be the basis of an OSHA investigation that will lead to an order to isolate Musk from our society!

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>Fines are capped by law and pose little deterrent for major companies, experts in U.S. worker safety regulation said.

**Misleading.** OSHA’s primary goal is to inspect and enforce companies to comply with industrial safety standards, and not issue fines. The main financial punishment of companies should come from civil lawsuits of employees, in which fines should be guidelines for judges' decisions. What can be improved in this situation, in my opinion, is that the government can improve workers' access to good lawyers, allowing them to fight on an equal footing with their former employers.

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>OSHA and CalOSHA have fined the billionaire’s rocket company a total of $50,836 for violations stemming from one worker’s death and seven serious safety incidents, regulatory records show.

**Misleading.** As I said above, the bulk of the money should go to the affected workers instead of government agencies. But since statistics on private court cases are probably not available to Reuters, they began to focus on irrelevant information. Fining companies to death is unlikely to help workers recover from their injuries.

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text ​ >SpaceX leaders also believed the company shouldn’t be held to the same standard as competitors because SpaceX oversees more missions and manufacturing, the two former executives said. **Misleading.** Again and again, Reuters journalists return to the “poor safety” narrative, in support of which they only provide mishandling statistics. But what these former executives say has its justification. If you hire several times more workers to do the same job, you will obviously get a better…
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Unfortunately, almost no major US aerospace company has avoided fatal accidents at work, even if we are limit ourselves to the period from 2002, when SpaceX was founded: this happened with [Pratt & Whitney](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Fatal-blast-at-rocket-fuel-plant-2nd-explosion-2557374.php), [Thiokol](https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/accidentsearch.accident_detail?id=201561248), [Aerojet Rocketdyne](https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2008/sep/18/worker-killed-rocket-motor-explosion-identified/), [ULA](https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/engineer-s-fall-from-launch-pad-still-being-probed-1.623434?cache=yesclipId104062?clipId=263414), [Lockheed Martin](https://www.wsbradio.com/news/worker-dies-after-fall-lockheed-martin-plant/WtljPNg9VoJvOVYBFaIt7M/), [Boeing](https://www.live5news.com/story/21829568/boeing-employee-dead-after-fall-from-platform/), [Orbital ATK](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deadly-explosion-lake-city-army-ammunition-plant-missouri/) and [Northrop Grumman](https://www.ksl.com/article/50569207/2-northrop-grumman-employees-dead-after-being-found-unconscious). So a separate fatal accident cannot say that SpaceX operates worse than the rest of the industry.\n\n**Oddly** **enough, Reuters seems to have ignored all these** **events except for the ULA case** [**immediately after**](https://web.archive.org/web/20210517141844/https://www.reuters.com/article/space-shuttle-death-idUSN1417571620110314) **it and the SpaceX case 9 years after the accident.**\n\nIf we are talking about the ratio, then the standard metric of deaths per 100,000 full-time workers per year is simply impossible to calculate due to the fact that many large companies do not track the number of employees of their space departments, let alone tracking all their subcontractors. 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