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>Why would the country hosting him, agree to something like that, then? You're would agree to take a lot of political risks just to host him, refuse to extradite him to Israel, just to turn around and extradite him to the ICC? Why?

In one scenario, he gets charged and tried with corruption by his own country, within which he has significant connections. In the other, he gets charged and tried for much more serious crimes by an international court. So hypothetically, from the host country's point of view, handing him back to Israel might give the appearance of letting him go, while handing him over to the ICC would have him face justice.

>I'm not saying you can't make up a scenario where that happens. I'm just saying it's unlikely enough to not matter much.

It limits his options, while widening the options of those who want him brought to justice. I don't think either of us can say with any accuracy just how much this limits him, but just the perception alone of the walls closing in could be effective. As I said - a large part of it is not really that it actually happens, but that it serves as a psychological deterrent for his current actions.

>Israel is also famous for kidnapping people they want to be extradited, including from friendly states.

This doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu will likely be able to find states who won't extradite him, which was the argument. What happens *after* is up in the air.

Though it must be said that Israel's kidnappings were in both cases for much, much more serious offenses. Whether a former PM charged with corruption meets the criteria for forcible extradition at the risk of creating an international incident is unknown. I mean, that charge is such a non-issue (relatively speaking) that he's still running the country in spite of it.

>What will happen is that it will extract Netanyahu in a commando operation, and then the host state will decide whether to start a war over this or not.

I can see this potentially happening, but it's far from starting a war, just *risking* a war. And a small risk at that, considering the previous (albeit not particularly analogous) outcomes. I maintain that no one will start an actual war over Netanyahu, neither the host nation nor Israel. Israel in particular will have a lot of recovery to do once he is out and all this business is over. I just don't think there will be any appetite in those conditions.

Perhaps an Israel at full strength - internationally, politically, militarily, and economically speaking - might be in a position to feel up to it. But once the current conflict is over, Israel will find itself weakened in all those aspects, and I doubt there will be any appetite for digging an even deeper hole.

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